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	<title>Comments on: Russell Brown, straw men and withdrawal from Iraq</title>
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		<title>By: Christiaan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christiaan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jun 2006 20:28:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So it didn't go terribly terribly wrong after all, well not at your end anyway! My apologies Russell. Should have known better than to try and cram a post in before work.

It didn't help that I had one of your &lt;a rel="nofollow" title="Public Address &#124; Hard News &#124; Moral fog" href="http://www.publicaddress.net/default,2567.sm"&gt;previous comments&lt;/a&gt; in mind:
&lt;blockquote&gt;I've been wary about the idea that an immediate withdrawal - cutting and running - from Iraq is a good idea.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
It also didn't help that I do believe war&lt;em&gt; is&lt;/em&gt; hell and that the sorts crimes taking place in Iraq &lt;em&gt;do&lt;/em&gt; happen and were predicted; the very reason the Nuremburg Tribunal concluded:
&lt;blockquote&gt;To initiate a war of aggression … is not only an international crime; it is the supreme international crime differing only from other war crimes in that it contains within itself the accumulated evil of the whole.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Anyway, once again, apologies Russell.

P.S. for anyone interested here's a &lt;a rel="nofollow" title="TomDispatch.com &#124; Michael Schwartz on why Immediate Withdrawal Makes Sense" href="http://tomdispatch.com/index.mhtml?pid=23549"&gt;good essay&lt;/a&gt; on immediate withdrawal by Michael Schwartz.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So it didn&#8217;t go terribly terribly wrong after all, well not at your end anyway! My apologies Russell. Should have known better than to try and cram a post in before work.</p>
<p>It didn&#8217;t help that I had one of your <a rel="nofollow" title="Public Address | Hard News | Moral fog" href="http://www.publicaddress.net/default,2567.sm" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('a/www.publicaddress.net');">previous comments</a> in mind:</p>
<blockquote><p>I&#8217;ve been wary about the idea that an immediate withdrawal - cutting and running - from Iraq is a good idea.</p></blockquote>
<p>It also didn&#8217;t help that I do believe war<em> is</em> hell and that the sorts crimes taking place in Iraq <em>do</em> happen and were predicted; the very reason the Nuremburg Tribunal concluded:</p>
<blockquote><p>To initiate a war of aggression … is not only an international crime; it is the supreme international crime differing only from other war crimes in that it contains within itself the accumulated evil of the whole.</p></blockquote>
<p>Anyway, once again, apologies Russell.</p>
<p>P.S. for anyone interested here&#8217;s a <a rel="nofollow" title="TomDispatch.com | Michael Schwartz on why Immediate Withdrawal Makes Sense" href="http://tomdispatch.com/index.mhtml?pid=23549" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('a/tomdispatch.com');">good essay</a> on immediate withdrawal by Michael Schwartz.</p>
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		<title>By: Russell Brown</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russell Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jun 2006 09:59:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aarrggh! Not what I meant at all.

Perhaps I could have been clearer, and called it the "'war is hell'  argument". Or the "shit happens" argument.

What I meant was that I'm over being told by people that this sort of stuff just happens in wars, nothing to see here, move along, etc ...

FWIW, I don't think things can begin to improve in Iraq until the occupying forces depart (perhaps - seriously - with some civil infrastructure tasks being taking up by a UN-mandated force). That said, I fear that that just means handing things over to a hardline Shia political majority. It's a mess.

Cheers,
RB</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aarrggh! Not what I meant at all.</p>
<p>Perhaps I could have been clearer, and called it the &#8220;&#8216;war is hell&#8217;  argument&#8221;. Or the &#8220;shit happens&#8221; argument.</p>
<p>What I meant was that I&#8217;m over being told by people that this sort of stuff just happens in wars, nothing to see here, move along, etc &#8230;</p>
<p>FWIW, I don&#8217;t think things can begin to improve in Iraq until the occupying forces depart (perhaps - seriously - with some civil infrastructure tasks being taking up by a UN-mandated force). That said, I fear that that just means handing things over to a hardline Shia political majority. It&#8217;s a mess.</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
RB</p>
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